2) they lack a true market price research team, so their initial pricing is a guess (on the higher side) to what the market will support. Seems new versions of this translation will be coming out in the fall: leather, hardcover, and another paperback. Bible Reviews, Bible Study, Translations, and more. When I receive a reply, I shall forward it to this group. (Yet another reason why proof-texting is often such a poor apologetic practice). I have paperbacks published by Dover that have lasted 30 and 40 years, though not with daily use. In 2020 it was published in the US as The Augustine Bible. Heb. A positive scholarly assessment of the ESV can be found HERE. Review of "The Augustine Bible" - the Catholic ESV! After international shipping costs, this costed me over US $60 which is over NZD $100…. On the plus side, the binding is definitely sewn, as advertised in the product announcement. It’s not perfect, however (none are!). Oxford University Press came out with an ESV that contained the deuterocanonicals (the so-called “apocryphal” books that most Bibles – even the KJV! Feel free to add to either list in the comments! (In case you’re wondering, it has received both the nihil obstat and imprimatur from the Conference of Catholic Bishops of India). The pericope found in John 7:53-8:11 (The Woman Caught in Adultery) and the so-called “Longer Ending of Mark” (Mark 16:9-20.) In reflection on St. Augustine’s experience, we have named this Catholic edition of the Bible The Augustine Bible—thus affirming that we too can turn our hearts to the Lord every time we “take and read” God’s Word. Protestants love to trot out 2 Timothy 3:16 as proof text for their doctrine of sola scriptura – the idea that the Bible alone is the ultimate authority in matters of faith. Well… I just checked the Catholic.store shop and the price has dropped by 40% to $29.95. Yet, it is within the pricing standards of Augustine Institute. The ESV is a pretty straightforward literal translation. There is a bit of text ghosting as a result, but I only really noticed it in wide textless areas (like the ESV symbol above). Many publishers place a layer of glue along the spine of a sewn binding for extra durability and stability, but the presence of glue along the spine does not indicate whether a binding is sewn or not. Looking at the sleeve I honestly thought I was getting a cloth covered hardback….. Not to happy about this being a paperback…. The paper is pretty thin, but not terrible. I ordered a copy and have some first impressions and photos to share. It seems to be, from the photo supplied, that the binding is glued. SUBSCRIBE now for updates! This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Because Greek has known pronouns of gender, these are translated as-is rather than paraphrased simply because “we all know what they really mean.” So for example, the term adelphoi literally means “brothers.” Now, it can refer to more than just male siblings – in fact it can refer to both male and female members of groups that aren’t family-related at all. For those interested in the actual Augustine Bible itself, I include pictures and a few comments below. It also is a reasonable reader’s bible for anyone who does not like explanatory notes and introductions (although the moderate ghosting might frustrate some readers). As I have continued to read and use the ESV-CE I began to notice many translation choices…small, yet a bit annoying. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. It’s a simple, minimalist Bible with decent build quality and a fair price. Overall, this paperback cover reminds me of the cover for the Catholic Youth Bible (NABRE) from St. Mary’s Press (see my impressions of that bible here). I’m truly happy for those who have wanted an ESVCE, but that price is ridiculous. The Bible is medium sized (9″ x 6″ x 1 1/8″). I’d like thicker pages, but it is nice to have a 1,200+ page book that I can easily carry with one hand and fit on a normal sized bookshelf. This is the name used to denote old Latin translations from the Greek text, which were used in the Western world before - very slowly - what would be called the Vulgate translation by St Jerome took precedence. Maybe now some people will be interested in purchasing it? The pages are thin enough to allow moderate ghosting of text from the back of the page and the adjacent page. I like them both a lot, but mostly for the notes. Where can I purchase a copy of The Augustine Bible in the UK? My Review of The Augustine Bible ESV-CE. The bible has no ribbon markers, so this extension of the cover can serve that purpose if needed. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. However, that does not make it OK to “translate” adelphoi into “people.” The same goes for “father” (vs. “parent”), wife (vs. “spouse”). A common Catholic rejoinder is 1 Timothy 3:15 (easy to remember-  subtract 1 from 2 and 1 from 16!) Your email address will not be published. - The inside layout is very clean and readable. The paperback cover is sturdy and thick, and it has a large fold-out extension which could potentially be used to mark a page. It feels just right in the hand—a bit smaller in form factor than your typical Bible with smallish print throughout. In reflection on St. Augustine’s experience, we have named this Catholic edition of the Bible The Augustine Bible—thus affirming that we too can turn our hearts to the Lord every time we “take and read” God’s Word. - YouTube The cover design and the slip case are beautifully designed. The ESV nails it. Many cheaper bibles feature hardcover or imitation leather covers, a ribbon marker, and line-matching. Catholics take note: this same practice means that adelphoi will be translated as “brothers” in passages speaking of Jesus’ extended family (whether they are actually half-brothers, step-brothers, cousins, or countrymen is a matter of interpretation – not translation.). I think that the translation over all is good and acceptable, yet after closer consideration I believe that the RSV-2CE remains at least generally a better pick as a study bible and boasts a very similar readability. OK lemme know when. The text is not large. There are no explanatory notes and no book introductions of any kind. Below I will go into more detail about the translation as well as the physical Bible itself. Now, although the RSV is a kind of a universal academic standard, it is a 70 year-old translation that retains archaic formal English (e.g., “Thees and Thous”) and doesn’t read as smoothly as I would like in some places. No reply as to future binding options was included. The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. Augustine first summarizes the central message of the Bible (quite an astounding and beautiful accomplishment) and then turns to the difficult medium of the message. In Isaiah 7:14 the RSV translated Hebrew almah as “young woman” rather than “virgin.” The NABRE followed suit and so, sadly, modern Catholic Bibles confused a lot of people. The slip case and the paperback cover have a gold-colored foil pattern stamped on the front, as shown below. I don't love this bible Released at the end of 2019, the Augustine Bible finally brings the ESV Catholic Edition to the United States. I also inquired as to when hardback or leather editions are planned for publishing. are both found in the text with a footnote that the passage is not found in some manuscripts. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Ironically the ESV uses some older readings that are more accurate than the RSV. Printed in Italy, The Augustine Bible features the English Standard Version® Catholic Edition translation, which some consider to be the best available English translation of the Bible. Thanks for the overview. Although it may seem pious to write “He” instead of merely “he” when referring to God the Father or Jesus, doing so has no analog in the original languages or writings of Scripture. This verse’s absence from many modern Bibles catches a lot of people off guard. Review of The Augustine Bible - the Catholic ESV! First, the ESV makes the divine-messianic connection much more clear in this Psalm by adressing God and not his throne (cf. The ESVCE does not do this. ESV’s philosophy is explicitly to use non-gender specific language when translating a word that in Hebrew/Greek is not gendered (e.g. This has the advantage of keeping the biblical text in focus, the Bible’s size (and cost) manageable, and avoids the risk of biasing the reader to one position or another. It contains a short Foreward, a Preface, a few grayscale maps and a chart of weights and measures. Last year, I wrote a post about the new English Standard Version Catholic Edition Bible (ESV-CE) published in India. Eventually readers of the Bible have to learn how to differentiate between passages meant to be read literally and passages meant to be read figuratively, something that can challenge even the most advanced readers. ), previous post announcing the Augustine Bible, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp37KfaRoI4, A Brief Comparison of the ESV w/Apocrypha and the ESVCE – Catholic Bible Talk, https://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/augustine-institute-publishes-major-new-catholic-bible, Review: Ignatius Pew Missal | The Catholic Man Reviews, First Look: Large Print New Catholic Bible (NCB) — Guest Post by Leighton. All is not perfect with the ESV. It’s a disputed text so some include it with a note that it isn’t found in some manuscripts but others simply leave it out! The text says what it says and people are expected to understand when the terms refer to a broader group. I hesitate to comment because I am not a fan of the ESV, so I will limit my thoughts to these two: 1) Even though the Anglican Press one I reviewed earlier this year is glued, it seems to me that it is a superior choice for the price. Either the hardcover or leather. Like pretty much all Bibles, it has some weaknesses. other than the Douay-Rheims, you pretty much won’t find any Bible that say it the way Catholics pray it. Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), the Bishops of India approved a Catholic edition of the ESV, proof-texting is often such a poor apologetic practice, The Great Adventure Catholic Bible – Review. I eventually settled on the RSV “Catholic Edition” (RSVCE) translation for my study Bible as well as one that was limited to the New Testament. Theological bias is not a virtue in translation (example). The printing is top-notch, ghosting is negligible, the imitation leather cover is decent in quality, and the study helps come from a well-known and well-loved Catholic study series. I emailed the Augustine Institute inquiring into when they’ll be releasing a hardcover edition. There are several mentions of the font size being too small on the publisher’s website. I suspect that heavy criticism played a role in their decision to reduce the price from $50 to $30. 17:21 below). So below I will call out some of the positives and negatives I have discovered. Amazon.ae: The Augustine Bible (ESV-CE): Augustine Institute. The divorce “exception clause” in Matthew 19:9 is a difficult passage on any account, but the meaning of the underlying Greek term porneia is not – it means sexual immorality. It was also a nice translation. Select Your Cookie Preferences. The slip case and the paperback cover have a gold-colored foil pattern stamped on the front, as shown below. A negative scholarly assessment of the ESV can be found HERE. Learn how your comment data is processed. And Also to be honest a bit more portable version would also be great such as like the RSV made by Ignatius that comes in a zipper pouch I love that size bible for everyday carry. So much for that! Customer Reviews The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. The thread which was used to sew the signatures together will be visible deep in the groove (sometimes known as the “gutter”) between the pages. The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. Printed in Italy, The Augustine Bible features the English Standard Version® Catholic Edition translation, which many consider to be the best available English translation of the Bible. This is far less confusing to those expecting these verses to be there than to simply leave them out (e.g., Mt. Most of these are not a big deal, but they’re worth noting. The ESV is actually a revision of the RSV that not only updates about 60,000 words to modern English, the translation is also made from a better manuscript tradition. There are minimal notes, all of the transnational as far as I can tell. Soon Augustine finds himself in an important position as “The Voice of The Emperor,” with the life of luxury he’s always wanted. Many thanks to the readers who commented with their first impressions of the brand new Augustine Bible ESV-CE over the past two weeks. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. I’d like thicker pages, but it is nice to have a 1,200+ page book that I can easily carry with one hand and fit on a normal sized bookshelf. Not all “inclusive language” is taking a liberty with the text — in some cases the masculine English word is in fact less literal. On the other hand, at a full price of $49.95 at the Augustine Institute Store, this bible is very high-priced for its lack of features. Yuck. He mostly used what is termed the Vetus Latina , the “Old Latin” version of Biblical texts. If an accurate translation makes things difficult for Catholics (or anyone else), then too bad! (Note also that in this example another dual numbering system used as the deuterocanonical material flows into the protocanonical Aramaic-to-Hebrew transition). This year, I have the great pleasure of announcing that this new translation is now available for purchase in the United States, thanks to the Augustine Institute! 5:14 – “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word. Therefore I would recommend sticking with the RSV while of course also referring to the Douay-Rheims which has a special place in my heart as it was the first Bible my parents bought me and I believe it is good to get a feel for the Latin Patrimony of the Church. The front pages feature the nihil obstat and imprimatur from the Conference of Catholic Bishops of India, and there is a foreword by bishop J. Susaimanickam (chairman of the Indian bishops’ Commission for Bible) and Cardinal Oswald Gracias (president of the bishops’ conference). They, then adjust as they learn from people. We have generous margins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp37KfaRoI4. Marc, I received a rather disappointing reply. Once the glue no longer holds onto an individual sheet of paper, it comes loose and falls out. Unfortunately, the ESV took this path. The ESV-Catholic Edition emphasizes “word-for-word” accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning. With none of those features available, it’s very hard to justify paying full price for this bible. We want people to use their Bible to study, to pray, to read daily.”, https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/augustine-institute-publishes-major-new-catholic-bible. Augustine is widely considered to be one of the most influential theologians of all time and stands as a giant among giants in the history of the Christian faith. ESV Bible with Apocrypha (2009) Oxford University Press developed an authorized edition of the ESV with the Apocrypha included, which was published in January 2009. It will certainly serve the purpose to get the translation on the shelf, but the price point doesn’t match the quality. I like that it is compact. I’ve requested a reason, from Augustine Institute, to justify the price point. First, this is the wrong question to ask! Over all I am amazed with the quality of the translation this is certainty an improvement on the RSV and I can not wait to see it go mainstream for all English Speaking Catholics as a more commonly owned bible translation. As I was making my way into full communion with the Catholic Church I was also discovering the English Standard Version (ESV) study Bible which, although it was put out by Reformed scholars, had great notes. I found chapters 1, 2 and 4 to be the most engaging but got a little lost or overwhelmed or simply bored in the central chapter on Augustine the Teacher. Looks like there will be other editions of the Augustine Bible coming out later this year: The NABRE’s “translation” is completely unwarranted (it is an interpretative paraphrase rather than a translation). I remain puzzled by their choice to release a paperback at such a high starting price. Now this one is a real issue on both the translational and theological fronts. Thanks for the clarity. This bible should hold up to normal use reasonably well, but I would expect it to show its age more than a hardcover or leather edition. I criticized the Great Adventure Bible for not offering a sewn binding at its price point, but every other aspect of its production quality is excellent. This is the first accessible Catholic Bible in the ESV translation. If this is the new permanent price, I would be a bit upset if I purchased it at $50. Granted, the RSV is also not free from this though it seems to be less apparent in major moments of the text and rather occurs in less notable sections. I’ve been reading and praying with it since, to give it a chance. It makes it look like part of the curse of original sin is for wives to be in disagreement with their husbands and for the husband to [over]rule them. I will be (im)patiently awaiting the leather version (or even the hardcover if it’s sewn). This Catholic Edition was reviewed in accord with the norms of Liturgiam authenticam and abides by Catholic hermeneutical principles. All we need to do is to recognize the Scriptures for what they are: a personal message from God, who made us and loves us. That this ESVCE costs $50 is insane. The paper is pretty thin, but not terrible. The Great Adventure Catholic Bible - Review, Citing the Summa Theologiæ of St. Thomas Aquinas. Thank you. When the empire decides to take over the Christian basilica, Augustine prepares to give the speech of a lifetime, one that will slow the rising tide of Christianity’s influence. and the NABRE. This volume presents the findings of eminent scholars on the Bible in Augustine's letters, in his preaching, in polemics, in the City of God, and as a source for Christian ethics, following the chronological order of Augustine's works from the mid-eighties of the fourth century to just before his death in 430. That is excellent news! I believe they do it for two reasons: The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. A completely “literal word-for-word” translation is an undesirable pipe dream. The ESV has, for no reason I can guess other than theological bias, translated this verse as “a pillar.”. The slip case will help to protect the cover when not in use, but it won’t help with normal wear from reading. “The good person” in Luke 6:45), but to use the gendered English word when the original language word was gendered. Though the Augustine Institute I agree needs to make a Hard Cover. For original video content, see my YouTube Channel The ESV has opted to indicate it’s inclusion with italics and use a dual-numbering system to reflect placement. Still one would expect a hardcover for a Bible at the price. All we need to do is to recognize the Scriptures for what they are: a personal message from God, who made us and loves us. Augustine knew only a little Greek, and did not spontaneously refer to the Greek Bible. (https://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/augustine-institute-publishes-major-new-catholic-bible). I leave the response to speak for itself. For me, the positive features of the ESV translation far outweigh its deficiencies, but it is helpful to get a taste for both. 1:8). It’s possible to confirm this by opening the bible to the exact middle of one of the folded signatures and carefully opening the pages as far as they will go near the spine. I would not expect the Augustine Bible to resist wear and tear much better. There’s a New Catholic Answers Speaker In Town! I ordered this bible when I saw that it was available (cyber week deal for preorder) as I have been waiting for a version in the United States. Unfortunately it came with the corner dented…but that’s alright. The correct translation is important here because what counts as sexual immorality changes depending on one’s situation in life (e.g., married/single), and so narrowing it down too much or making it too general can both be very misleading. The books of the Old Testament are laid out in the traditional Catholic order, with the books of Maccabees arranged after the other historical books and before the book of Job. FYI – the price has dropped to $29.95 on their store. However, while many Christians are familiar with the broad strokes of his theology, few readers today have explored the riches of his spiritual life. I’m curious to hear what their response will be! Highlighting with a marker did bleed through a bit (see the “All we need to do” line above) – but it did not get any worse than this even after several weeks. I’m a big fan of Jeff Cavins’s fantastic Bible Timeline materials, so I was very excited to learn of Ascension Press’s release of the Great Adventure Catholic Bible which incorporated them into a single volume. Overall, I share the sentiments above. A reasonably-sized book (circa 300 pages) but in only five chapters? Catholics should rejoice that for the first time in 70 years we have a solid, scholarly, faithful, complete Bible translation (and one that is free from misleading notes – BONUS!). This is why pages are much more likely to fall out of a glued binding as it ages, compared to a sewn binding. As I was opening this article, I was lamenting that there are so few Catholic bibles with sufficient margin space. It comes in a rigid … There always has to be a balance between literal and readable, and at times the ESV might have lightened up on the consistent literalism a bit. We’ll have a more affordable paperback version and a hardcover edition. To be fair, the definite article (English “the”) is not in the text here, and Greek does not have an indefinite article so it’s not technically wrong to add it in when helpful (cult apologists will recognize this as the same argument Jehovah’s Witnesses use for calling Jesus “a god” in John 1:1). I actually just received my copy of the Augustine institute ESV-CE. The Augustine Bible comes in a sturdy slip box that matches the Bible’s cover – which is a stiff cardboard fold-over. When doing this test with the Augustine Bible, the thread is clearly visible. Like Luke 1:28 above, some Catholics might get miffed about the ESV’s rendering of “person” into “presence” because it seems to take away from the “persona christi” role of the priest in confession. Hello Select your address The Augustine Bible uses the term “Deuterocanonical Books.” - The cover artwork is beautiful. For the price, I’d say the Great Adventure Catholic BIble from Ascension Press (using the RSV-2CE) is a FAR better Bible with superior features and binding in a comparable translation. Unlike the NIV which disingenuously translates the word for “tradition” as “teaching” whenever it is presented in a positive light, the ESV (like most English Bibles) remains consistent. For those who aren’t familiar Dover used to publish high quality paperback of older books. It might seem “Protestanty” to change “full of grace” – but the ESV is following a long line of Bibles that do not translate the verse this way (for example – the two most popular Catholic Bibles!). By contrast, a glued binding is generally constructed without grouping the pages into discrete signatures. While it’s not too much of an eye strain for me initially, this would not be me “desert island” Bible. He gives advice on how to gain the necessary factual and linguistic information to approach the biblical environment and how to deal with its often so strangely figurative and obscure style of expression. I’ve tried Amazon Uk, not available, Amazon.com do not ship to the Uk. The Augustine Bible, ESV Catholic Edition The Augustine Bible features a beautiful foil-stamped slipcase and a durable matte cover to ensure that you can use and treasure this Bible for years to come. “We will have other versions of The Augustine Bible coming out in the fall. The hallmark of a sewn binding is that the pages are grouped together into several folded sections (known as “signatures”), and the signatures are all sewn together with thread. Update: Try the US Amazon.com (if they will ship it to you), https://www.amazon.com/dp/195093909X/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_yCxVEbN8MMMB1, Try ordering from Amazon in the USA (if they will ship it to you), Exciting news! I was informed that if I felt the price point was not such to be warranted in regard to the text, I should consider “shopping around” for a lower price. Printed in Italy, The Augustine Bible features the English Standard Version Catholic Edition translation, which some consider to be the best available English translation of the Bible. Last but not least, the ESV does not follow the practice of capitalizing pronouns of deity (those referring to God). This is a very unfortunate translation which essentially reverses the meaning of the text. I was informed that I would need to wait until after the new year has commenced, as the department which has the pricing responsibility is “out of the office”. A lot of Bibles get printed with very narrow margins because they’re trying to save space and save money and just be efficient. That will be a good development. I guess, I will probably being making a purchase in the fall. 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